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So Many People Buying Bootlegs :(Kommentarer • So Many People Buying Bootlegs :(

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    Jenthehen Otaku at Law
    darkr22 (1 år siden) #28991531No they are buying Chinese version which is the cheaper for them. Did you know all the molds are made in China then licensed by Japan right? China can do whatever they want to their molds. It's up to the buyer whether or not they want a China version than a Japanese version. So Japan version are expensive because of quality but don't forget Japan gets most outsourced from China, that includes animation studio. Foreigners are discrediting China because they help Japan with the animation marketing and industry. It's not their fault you believe every ebayer that lies to you and that does not tell you they are selling a Chinese version. Doesn't mean its fake or they are trying to copy Japanese. Means they got rights to make a cheaper version for Chinese customers and when you are being lied to it is from the vendor that wants to rip you off. The Chinese are not ripping you off, you should know this by now not to call them " fake " because they are just low-quality editions that are used with original molds from China.
    In Japan they do not have such problems distinguishing what is china made because all are exclusively licensed and sold in Japan. But outside of Japan you must be know what you are buying first before you go out and say " bootleg " it is the buyers responsibility to research japans marketing, it is the buyers responsibility to understand why there are china made figures and anything you might get from Taiwan or Korea. It is buyers responsibility to know the culture of every country in Asia to know what animation and art style they follow. Do not assume the origins come from Japan alone, it is a multicultural thing to understand. So do not discredit Taiwan, China, South Korea and say they are copying Japanese. They are not copying anyone it is apart of every Asian culture and they share that privately within their industries. Do not disrespect and place your own judgments without understanding every asians culture in the entertainment industry. Don't be sorry that you dont read Japanese or Chinese just do some goddamn research and get the facts straight and if your a so-called fan of this kind of entertainment then you should know better how business works within Japan.


    1. Why are you resurrecting this year old post?

    2. What you're saying here is irrelevant. I'm talking about the obviously shitty "Chinese version" low quality figures that are exactly the same as a higher quality Alter, GoodSmile, Koto, etc. figure. This has nothing to do with Asian culture - it has to do with licensing and product quality. I understand that there is manufacturing in China for Japanese figures, but that doesn't mean I want some crappy stolen/snatched mold from that process just to save a few bucks on an otherwise high quality figure.

    The point of this post originally was just surprise (and sadness) on the number of people who are buying the very low quality imitations of the REAL figures. It's fine if someone doesn't care and is ok paying less for less quality and understands the difference (although they are cheating the license holder / creator / artists / etc. out of some of their profit), but I feel bad for new collectors who think they are getting a deal and then are disappointed by a lower quality product - sometimes the paint and materials used aren't even as safe.
    1 år siden
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    No they are buying Chinese version which is the cheaper for them. Did you know all the molds are made in China then licensed by Japan right? China can do whatever they want to their molds. It's up to the buyer whether or not they want a China version than a Japanese version. So Japan version are expensive because of quality but don't forget Japan gets most outsourced from China, that includes animation studio. Foreigners are discrediting China because they help Japan with the animation marketing and industry. It's not their fault you believe every ebayer that lies to you and that does not tell you they are selling a Chinese version. Doesn't mean its fake or they are trying to copy Japanese. Means they got rights to make a cheaper version for Chinese customers and when you are being lied to it is from the vendor that wants to rip you off. The Chinese are not ripping you off, you should know this by now not to call them " fake " because they are just low-quality editions that are used with original molds from China.

    In Japan they do not have such problems distinguishing what is china made because all are exclusively licensed and sold in Japan. But outside of Japan you must be know what you are buying first before you go out and say " bootleg " it is the buyers responsibility to research japans marketing, it is the buyers responsibility to understand why there are china made figures and anything you might get from Taiwan or Korea. It is buyers responsibility to know the culture of every country in Asia to know what animation and art style they follow. Do not assume the origins come from Japan alone, it is a multicultural thing to understand. So do not discredit Taiwan, China, South Korea and say they are copying Japanese. They are not copying anyone it is apart of every Asian culture and they share that privately within their industries. Do not disrespect and place your own judgments without understanding every asians culture in the entertainment industry. Don't be sorry that you dont read Japanese or Chinese just do some goddamn research and get the facts straight and if your a so-called fan of this kind of entertainment then you should know better how business works within Japan.
    1 år siden
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    Use to be a noobs a long time ago I was guilty ordering many bootlegs on eBay. I got my money back for all the purchases and never made the same mistake again. I was happy to find out one of the bootlegs I got on eBay the local comic store have legit version of the figure on sale. So I decided to buy it to support so I'm supporting the designer that put the hard work creating the figure.
    1 år siden
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    I have read all of the above posts and so surprised that someone are not to blame those who buy bootlegs. As a Chinese collector, we do look down on people who buy fake figures for this action has negative effect on the industry.
    There are bootlegs which is fake and illegal and authentic products which come out to the market without any QC and outside boxes.They are totally different.
    2 år siden
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    pinkudon (2 år siden) #13959904I'm not saying you're wrong, or that I disagree with you, but every single industry gets by through immoral means. Everyone is just trying to make ends meet. I still wouldn't support them, buuuut every industry is pretty disgusting.

    I'm not sure GSC is as immoral as bootleggers funding terrorism. Not to say that figure bootleggers are funding terrorism, but you were speaking in a more general sense, and it is proven that for other bootleg industries the funding goes to unsavory places. Not that every business is squeaky clean, but I don't feel the figure industry deserves to be the victim of such intense counterfeiting.

    Also I have to voice that animes don't make much money, but it's the goods that drive the machine. If you don't buy the legally produced goods, it's not supporting the thing you love, or allowing more of it to be made. Bootlegs support nothing, and in fact hurt the industry very badly. Knock offs in general greatly hurt the economy.

    Emillia (2 år siden) #13956276I think, depending on the series etc., people do unknowingly buy bootlegs more than we might think. I've watched a number of Sailor Moon unboxing videos on YouTube where the ubboxer was unboxing a bootleg, but thought they had the real thing. Generally someone in the comments will gently point out they had a bootleg, saying something like, "hey really sorry to tell you this, but that's a bootleg". In some cases the unboxer doesn't seem bothered, in other cases they definitely are.
    I think another issue I find with Ebay is that when I do try to search for figures or anime goods, nearly all the search results will be bootlegs, and they'll be from sellers in China who've sold 3000 products and have high feedback ratings (because the buyers don't know/care they're getting bootlegs) and are considered power sellers or whatever by Ebay, so they'll be given preference in the search results. Basically, the way Ebay's search engine functions is designed to funnel buyers into the hands of the bootleg sellers, which I think it pretty screwed up.


    A handbag/luxury good company actually sued eBay over all the counterfeit goods it was allowing to be sold (despite people flagging the auctions like crazy) and won. I doubt every industry has enough power or money to do that, though. You can alert the auction and things like that but eBay seems to love their power sellers and either turns a blind eye, or has gotten to big to look into every complaint. GSC puts bootleg warnings on their Facebook pages but I don't know how many resources they'd actually have to crack down on these fake goods, unfortunately.

    In this case, the person with the most power is the consumer. Get educated, and don't buy fake items.
    2 år siden
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    Jenthehen Otaku at Law
    pinkudon (2 år siden) #13959904I'm not saying you're wrong, or that I disagree with you, but every single industry gets by through immoral means. Everyone is just trying to make ends meet. I still wouldn't support them, buuuut every industry is pretty disgusting.

    That's true, but at least if people can only afford to shop at Walmart or can't afford to only buy the most ethically produced food and necessities (shoes, clothes, etc.) don't have another choice.

    Nobody NEEDS anime figures (or fakes of luxury brand items).
    2 år siden
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    maggie (2 år siden) #13953855The bootleg industry is horrific, inhumane and ILLEGAL.

    I'm not saying you're wrong, or that I disagree with you, but every single industry gets by through immoral means. Everyone is just trying to make ends meet. I still wouldn't support them, buuuut every industry is pretty disgusting.
    2 år siden
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    I think, depending on the series etc., people do unknowingly buy bootlegs more than we might think. I've watched a number of Sailor Moon unboxing videos on YouTube where the ubboxer was unboxing a bootleg, but thought they had the real thing. Generally someone in the comments will gently point out they had a bootleg, saying something like, "hey really sorry to tell you this, but that's a bootleg". In some cases the unboxer doesn't seem bothered, in other cases they definitely are.

    I think another issue I find with Ebay is that when I do try to search for figures or anime goods, nearly all the search results will be bootlegs, and they'll be from sellers in China who've sold 3000 products and have high feedback ratings (because the buyers don't know/care they're getting bootlegs) and are considered power sellers or whatever by Ebay, so they'll be given preference in the search results. Basically, the way Ebay's search engine functions is designed to funnel buyers into the hands of the bootleg sellers, which I think it pretty screwed up.

    It may well also be the case that an inexperienced collector looking at 'Chinese version' prices on Ebay vs. the prices of legitimate products, might think that the people selling the much more expensive legitimate figures are trying to rip them off, because there are so many sellers on Ebay who do charge insane prices for things (and tbh a lot of the legitimate figures I see on Ebay are overpriced, though that's a separate issue) ... But basically, everyone knows that there are lots of sellers on Ebay who charge too much, which again, probably works out in the bootlegger's favour for those who don't know too much, because e.g., $20 vs. $60 may look like the 'real' value of a plastic toy.

    It's funny because I was thinking about this issue the other day, and how many, many years ago (like, early 2000s) Ebay was such a different place, and was actually great for buying collectibles in my experience ... I was very active in collecting My Little Pony toys from the 1980s in those days, and there was a thriving community of collectors on Ebay all buying and selling, largely to each other so there was a high degree of product knowledge which helped to protect everyone from bad/ignorant sellers. I imagine there were a lot of other niche collecting communities on Ebay that were similar.

    These days it's nearly impossible to even find the product you want, you have to wade through so much rubbish, and even when you do, you could probably find something of better quality elsewhere for cheaper. RIP the good old days :/
    2 år siden
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    Jenthehen (2 år siden) #13953930Oh my God, that's horrifying. :(

    It really is. It's frustrating to think that people only consider themselves and their wallet and don't look beyond that.
    2 år siden
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    Jenthehen Otaku at Law
    maggie (2 år siden) #13953855I think some people are missing the true horror of bootlegs on the market... It is not a legal industry, and does not have any laws to protect whatever poor workers are making these illegal items. Starving children in poverty working with harmful chemicals to make low quality goods to sell to those that don't want to pay for the real thing. Nothing is regulated! In Paris I read they are arresting the buyers of bootleg leather goods on the street because it's hard to stop the bootleggers, they are trying to discourage the buyers. Where does the funding go? Just some guy trying to make a dollar or some group more sinister that knows money is to be had by producing these items?
    And what happened to supporting an artist, designer, or company? They are trying to make a living just like anyone else is. How would you like it if you made a fan art and some company stole it, plastered it on low quality goods, sold it like crazy and you got no profit? Would you be happy just because it's selling to people for any price and those people may or may not be enjoying it?
    The bootleg industry is horrific, inhumane and ILLEGAL. www.harpersbaza...


    Oh my God, that's horrifying. :(
    2 år siden
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